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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 3, 2008 22:33:49 GMT -5
ok thank you both for your honesty heheh except caryn has one more question to answer hehehe i dont think i have anymre questions... i'll pop in once i have more lol.... *Whats wrong with me..... talking like its a formal cnversation lol There is nothing wrong with you? What kind of question is that? You were a great player and I told you that! and have become a good friend at least in my book.
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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 3, 2008 22:51:17 GMT -5
Hey both of you.. Well, I have 2 questions for each of you, one of them is the same. Gregg. What the heck did you do the whole flippin time? Ive like, never heard of you. Caryn, Why did you vote out the Ulongs in the order that you did? both, and this is the question I want you to think most about, Why didnt you talk to the Ulongs more? You must have forseen that 4 Jury members would have been from the Ulong tribe, and 4 jury votes secures a win. Yet, I didnt see either of you do anything to make us as a group feel better about ourselves in our unfortunate situation. One of you didnt talk at all, and the other of you made a few of us mad. It just seems fairly obvious to do your best to make jury members with inevidable fates like you, but I didnt see either of you try to do that before I (or any of the Ulongs) were voted out. Well the order of the Ulongs was basically just a crap shoot, remember this is my first ever survivor game and I never said I knew the whole thing, hell I only watched the first season of the damn show, and bits and pieces of some of the others but stopped watching it a long time ago!! We were told that Kim was a great player (and it turns out that she is) , see Gregg was communicating with your tribe to get what information he could out of them, and he is the one that said Kim needed to go cause Ibe said she was so awesome, so we wanted her out first then we also knew that you had done very well in previous games and even hosted your own game so sorry that was a threat as well, as far as keeping Stephanie and Ibe well most of that was me, see I figured that they were so disillusioned with the game and realizing thier fate that they were not even trying in the challenges, so it was better for our tribe to keep the ones that were not even trying to win immunity than to keep someone like you who plays till your torch goes out! And as far as making people mad at me, I never meant to do that, I mean at the beginning of the game when Jonathon attacked me I was truly hurt and taken aback, I mean here I am old enough to be his mother and the jerk was talking to me like that , and I never meant to insult anyone, yet he insisted on arguing, and when I tried to make nice and settle it, Stephanie had to stick her nose into it, well I am sorry but it was not right what she said and I took offense to that as well. I used that to make sure that no matter what happened I was going to outlast both of them and not leave the game till after they did. Well as time went on, I have been playing in other games, and now I realize that sometimes people use that banter as a intimidation tactic but I had no way of knowing that, remember this is only my second game, and its my first survivor. so I was taking things personal and maybe they were and maybe they werent but I didnt know any better! And as far as the jury and me keeping contact, who was I gonna keep in contact with, I have talked with Kim even played with her in another game, she was on a different tribe and I thought that things were good between us. Was I gonna talk to Ibe and Stephanie, when they both have made it clear what they think of me, I mean seriously what did I do wrong in this game? Win challenges? Isnt that what I was supposed to do? and I tried to talk to you when we merged we were friendly, but what do we have in common to talk about besides this game? I mean seriously you need to give me a little more credit than you are, I mean most of you guys are teenagers and have played in a ton of these games, I obviously am no teenager having one of my own, and am doing what I do best and that is win these challenges!
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Post by Jeff Wilson on Feb 3, 2008 23:00:40 GMT -5
I never insulted you Caryn I tought you played a good game, dont take my question that personally, lol.
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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 3, 2008 23:05:41 GMT -5
gregg y should u get my vote caryn y should u get my vote both of u name the 2 jurors who u would not want in final 2 and 2 jurors u want in final 2? both of u name for me who you think everyone will vote for and why? I played a good game, and I always tired to be honest, I didnt purposely lie to anyone and I am not so sure anymore that others did the same. I obviuosly did not want to be next to you in the final 2 cause like I said you were a nice person and everyone knew it, you had no enemies and never said a cross word to anyone. And I wouldnt want to be next to Katie, she always came close on all the challenges and she was a very likeable person as well, I dont understand her hostitily but I think its because others have been lieing in this game and these answers are really opening my eyes. Gregg and I have been in another game together and he has been in my ear the entire game, so dont take the innocent act seriously, cause I think we all may have been manipulated. I dont know who anyone is going to vote for, I would think that they would vote for the person that played the best game, won the challenges when she needed to win them, and didnt sit back and manipulate behind the scenes and then act all innocent when its down to the final 2. I was honest and upfront and I may be new to these game, but trust me I am learning more and more everyday, and I may have done some things differently, but again, I came into this game with a friend, and I upheld my deal!!
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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 3, 2008 23:11:25 GMT -5
Ahem. *Stands up* *Pulls out gun* *Shoots Caryn* "Congratulations Gregg. You aren't a loser. You will receive my vote." Oh thats nice Ibe, really nice, especially since if you think back it was Gregg you were talking to and told that Kim was a better player than you were and to try and get rid of her first, thats right, I started this game with Gregg, he and I were in Big Brother together and he signed up over here and invited me to come along, ask KIM cause I told her what I had heard and from who cause I wanted to clear the air with her cause we were both in another game togather, so do what you have to do, but stop being so dramatic and threatening about it, cause my teenage son could kick your ass!!!
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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 3, 2008 23:15:55 GMT -5
I never insulted you Caryn I tought you played a good game, dont take my question that personally, lol. I am not insulted, I realize that these questions are needed, but even this process is a learning experience, cause I was obviously baboozled as well! BUT, I am learning trust me!
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Post by Gregg Carey on Feb 3, 2008 23:32:20 GMT -5
gregg y should u get my vote caryn y should u get my vote both of u name the 2 jurors who u would not want in final 2 and 2 jurors u want in final 2? both of u name for me who you think everyone will vote for and why? Tom, I should get your vote because I did not dominate challenges to put a target on myself, but yet, I did not ride anyone’s coat tail to be left out of the loop. I played this game balanced. I made strategic moves in subtle ways and took the target off of me, and I stayed true to our tribe. After the Jonathan and Stephenie ordeal, I control myself by not causing any ruckess.
2 Jurors I do not want in the final 2 would be Jeff and Stephenie. For the same reason – I did not know them. My social mistake.
2 Jurors I want in the final 2 would be Katie and Willard. Katie is a competitor and exceled in challenges, which made her strong. Willard is also strong because he used under the radar strategy. He was smart in laying low and not getting the heat on him. I saw them both as a threat in their own ways. And a final 2 with them would be a tough choice for me if I had to choose between the two.
Wow! Part 3 is a tough one. I will start with first juror: Kim – Caryn – probably because she’d talked to Caryn more. Jeff – Caryn – same reason – he’d talked to her more. Stephenie – Caryn – because it was obvious she did not like me before the merge – she told me to get a life. Ibreham – Gregg – he’s a funny guy and I loved the drama he created. Katie – Caryn – probably because I backstabbed her when Tom was supposed to be voted out. Willard – Gregg – I understood his reasoning behind his strategy and I didn’t take offense to it. Tom - It can go either way with Tom. He is close to Caryn, at least I thought so. But he and I also played the game closely the same way. So that may be a bonus to me. I’m undecided with Tom.
Yes, I gave Caryn more credit, but it's only from my point of view.
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Post by Tom Westman on Feb 3, 2008 23:55:43 GMT -5
caryn can u please answer my last question like gregg did. thank you.
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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 4, 2008 0:23:45 GMT -5
caryn can u please answer my last question like gregg did. thank you. Sure: Willard: well thats an obvious vote for Gregg cause I think that they were much closer than I thought, and at the end I was intimidated bu it, cause I wasnt sure that they would not force me out! Katie: I am gonna say Caryn cause I think that she will realize the dynamics of this game and how it all came down Ibe: Gregg but he is a fool if he does cause it was actually not ME who started the drama with him and Kim but I will take the fall its OK. Stephanie: Gregg: Cause for some reason I never thought that she liked me, I mean I think she realized at the very beginning that I must be new to this whole game ting cause she was the one that pointed out about the admin being young, which I had no clue, and I think she just didnt like me from that point on, I tried to bridge that gap but I just couldnt. Jeff: Caryn: I think he realizes that I played the best game, and was not carried by anyone at all. I may be green, but I can play the game, and I did not have a free ride! Kim: Thats a toss-uo but I hope that its Caryn, cause I think she realizes what really went down, and like I said I was honest with her and told her why we voted her out and what I was told, and I think she appreciated it! Tom: I would think that you would vote for me cause I did play the better game, I worked hard the whole time, and I never manipulated anyone or took a free ride for anything! SO its a toss-up still, you never know how the jury will vote, but its a game and it should be judged by who played the game itself the best!
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Ibrehem Rahmen
Full Member
Sixth Place
Koror can go drown in the ocean. K? Tnx. Bye.
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Post by Ibrehem Rahmen on Feb 4, 2008 1:00:02 GMT -5
Caryn. Your teenage son doesn't have shit on me.
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Post by Katie Gallagher on Feb 4, 2008 4:10:23 GMT -5
ok but what about Did u ever LIE or TWIST words or any statements? No Katie, I thought I made that clear with my statement that said that was why I wouldnt make any promises! See, I came into this game with a friend and I played it well and stuck to my agreement. just to make it clear... its not between u and me ut did u lie or twist sumone's word meaning ANYONE even Ulong peeps
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Post by Katie Gallagher on Feb 4, 2008 4:18:19 GMT -5
FYI caryn i dont have hostility i just want some unanswered questions answered hehehe and Gregg i always thought u and tom had sumthing going on lol but no one believed me heehehe
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Post by Gregg Carey on Feb 4, 2008 8:09:10 GMT -5
Me and Tom?? We never had an alliance. We had an understanding of each other's game and respect at how it's played.
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Post by Caryn Groedel on Feb 4, 2008 8:25:41 GMT -5
No Katie, I thought I made that clear with my statement that said that was why I wouldnt make any promises! See, I came into this game with a friend and I played it well and stuck to my agreement. just to make it clear... its not between u and me ut did u lie or twist sumone's word meaning ANYONE even Ulong peeps Katie, I keep saying NO.................how many times are you going to ask me the same question NO, it wasnt me!
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Post by Katie Gallagher on Feb 4, 2008 9:06:39 GMT -5
ok then caryn hehehe..... i'm now shutting up lol....
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Post by Gregg Carey on Feb 4, 2008 10:24:54 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer Gregg, but I dont think you understood fully (maybe I shoul dhave worded differently) Im not asking you why you didnt flip, because I understand being comfortable and safe in your alliance, and the risk not being worth it, im just asking why you didnt talk to us more (though you answered that) Just wanted to clear it up, I dont blame you for not flipping. But something I do blame you for (lol) is your point about you not making an effort to talk, but I didnt either. It wasnt my responsibility. I knew I probably wasnt going to be in your position, and If sombody from Koror did flip, and I may have made it to the end, you'd better believe that I would have started talking to future Jury members, and made them like me. Because all I have to go on for my vote is how you answer my questions, but If one of you had talked to me more when i was still in the game, you would have had it locked up. Its a lost opprotunity that I thought was an obvioius thing to do, that I would have done if I at any point was in your position. Anyway, thats all I have to say. Jeff, I just saw this post now, so I would like to comment on this. I was still teetering about flipping sides. I wanted to but from what I gathered none of Koror did. They were all guaranteed F5 and was afraid that if anything went wrong, the flippers would be the first to go from both sides. I also had to watch what I was going to say to Ulong should I flip because I know that my "disloyalty" would get back to Koror. So, communicating with Ulong did not come into play since my plan to flip would not work out for me. That is one of the reason that I didn't talk more to you all, that, the pace of this game and other games. It was better to keep my distant than to have rumors and suspicions fly around.
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Post by Gregg Carey on Feb 4, 2008 10:47:38 GMT -5
Gregg and I have been in another game together and he has been in my ear the entire game, so dont take the innocent act seriously, cause I think we all may have been manipulated. I dont know who anyone is going to vote for, I would think that they would vote for the person that played the best game, won the challenges when she needed to win them, and didnt sit back and manipulate behind the scenes and then act all innocent when its down to the final 2. I would like to defend myself here. I am not acting all innocent. I am owning up to what I did. I'm laying it all out there. I no longer have to be behind the scenes and working things. "Playing" the game is over for me. The jury wants answers and I'm answering them. I am not here trying to throw blames. I am owning up to my actions, and I certainly did not sit back watching the show. BTW, me being in your ears? And I heard nothing from you? If only the jury knew how you really felt about each of them....
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Post by Jeff Wilson on Feb 4, 2008 11:02:33 GMT -5
Gregg, Im going to give you 1 last chance at my vote. Caryn made a good point, saying that she didnt have a free ride and she did everything herself. Thats the kind of game I respect, where you do things yourself and are in charge.
I want you to have 1 chance to refute that.
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Post by Gregg Carey on Feb 4, 2008 11:27:57 GMT -5
Gregg, Im going to give you 1 last chance at my vote. Caryn made a good point, saying that she didnt have a free ride and she did everything herself. Thats the kind of game I respect, where you do things yourself and are in charge. I want you to have 1 chance to refute that. Caryn did not do everything herself. There was an alliance of 5. No one got a free ride. We were 5 strong people in an alliance and we worked together. The fact that we had majority each round made it look as if we were all getting free rides. Caryn counted on winning tribal immunities herself and not letting everyone get a chance to be a “winner”. She counted on winning challenges only to get herself to final 2. There is no strategy at all. We could not help that the majority of the challenges were posting. So why should I be seen as the one that did not do anything because I did not win as much as her? Since Caryn was dominating challenges, I had to find another way to get myself further in the game.
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Post by Willard Smith on Feb 4, 2008 12:37:37 GMT -5
Caryn, Caryn, Caryn, ....WE were carried along? so sad you are so delusional...I'm laughing my ass off girl... Let me first start of by congratulating you for making the final 2....while still laughing my ass off. You and Gregg made a final three pack with me pregame. We all knew there would come a time at the finals and have to vote each other off. What I would like to know is why did you change your mind and vote out Katie, when it was Tom that was always the target? You put us all in the position to lie to Katie making you look good in the end. The way I see it is you turned on your final three alliances and on top of that you caused a tie in the final4. By causing a tie, you pretty much showed that Gregg, Tom or Me didn’t deserve to be in the final 3. You were willing to gamble our positions away by making us draw rocks. What was your purpose of creating that tie? You mentioned to Gregg that I wasn’t DESERVING to be in the final 3. What I want to know miss know it all, is DEFINE WHAT MAKES A PERSON DESERVING TO BE IN THE FINAL 3 AND WHY? I understand this is your first Survivor game, yet you go around acting like your gods gift to orgs. First off you do not bring previous games or personal life into the game. It’s not very mature to bully the jurors by making comments about your teenage son kicking Ibe’s butt. I do agree with you, YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. This finale is all about coming clean and all I hear is you dancing around your questions. Why is it that you feel the need to put this all on Gregg saying he was the manipulator and got a free ride? What was your reason for turning on our three way alliance? You said I was sand bagging it, do you actually even know what that terminology means in the org world. I mean this is your first Survivor game and you act like you know it all. Do you honestly think the game is all about winning challenges, because you are so WRONG? It is about strategy, loyal commitments, and making bonds with the players and following through. Of course you have to lie sometimes; it’s the nature of the game. All you did was create drama and confrontation with the Ulongs. You have no idea how to strategize. You think all you have to do is win challenges to win the game. I am sure you will learn soon enough, that there are many ways to play this game and you can not play everyone the same way. You will not deserve to WIN every game you play. I don’t care if you win every dang challenge; the object of this game is to use all three elements to compliment your game play. I only saw you outplay us all. That doesn’t constitute a win in my eyes. It only showed your greediness to be such a challenge hog. The only game play I saw was strictly winning challenges and you know what they say in the game of survivor, if you have to WIN to stay alive in the game, your not playing the game to outwit. I never saw anyone win because they won challenges, but you wouldn't know that because you don't even watch the show. So my questions for you other then the ones above are, 1. What was your purpose of creating the tie in f4? 2. Since it was said that I didn’t deserve to be in the final 3 I would like you to define what makes a person deserving to be in the final 3 and why? 3. Please rate the jurors in who most/least deserves to be sitting next to you and why you chose NOT to take them with you? 4. Define the word Sand Bagging and tell me each player that fits the description and why? 5. Tell me honestly how you feel about each juror member and their game play? 6. What was your biggest flaw in the game?
Caryn, you mentioned in your answers to Jeff that you were bamboozled.
7. Please define the word Bamboozle and tell me who was responsible for bamboozling you? Then when you realize it was not you that was bamboozled, please list the people you did bamboozle to get yourself to the final2?
Gregg, Congrats to you in making final2. It really takes all kinds of people to play this game, and there aren’t many that play it well. You actually used all three elements in this game to get you to the final 2. You of all the people on the jury most deserve to be sitting in F2. Now things are being said that you got a free ride and that just shocks me. I don’t see it that way. It took our solid 5 alliance to get where we did and it’s not fair saying that you got a free ride when it was all 5 of us that played the same way. I just wanted to put it out there that each and every one of us equally deserves to be there just as much as Caryn. I can’t believe she is trying to take all the credit and making us look like we didn’t deserve to be there because we didn’t win as many challenges. It is a bunch of crap and I hope the jury see’s it. I guess it will all come down to who respects what kind of game play came from each of you. So what I want to start out by asking you Gregg is…. 1. Please explain what kind of strategy you had in this game? 2. List three moves you made to get you to the final2? 3. What was your reasoning for voting me off at final4? 4. Compare your game play to each jury member? 5. If you had a choice to bring anyone but me to final 2(because we all know that I did not deserve because I basically got here by sand bagging and happen to be on the same free ride as everyone else. LMFAO. So who would it be and why? 6. What makes you such a unique survivor?Thank you and please take all the time you need to answer, because this will be a big part of making my decision. Willard
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